purpose. and, so, not kind of understanding what those metrics would be would be hard. would it be the number of engagements that they have, the number of additional legislation that they put out? there is not really -- and i think people will value that in a very subjective way. so, i just don't think that you're going to get direction, unified direction from this committee on this item because i truly believe that in a place where we have scarce resources to deal with all the money issues that we have, that currently being able to have two members support youth commission is a good place to be, knowing that we have the possibility to help with digitization of our records that go back so many years that we are woefully behind in. so, you know, personally, i can't, i can't agree that that's the best thing to do, hire someone and say we'll keep you on, maybe we won't. i don't think that's the best [speaker not understood].